Ting to shed T-Mobile, add Verizon?

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1 week 4 days ago #39372 by KentE
I've only seen this reported here:
www.lightreading.com/mergers-and-acquisitions/mvno-ting-dumps-t-mobile-for-verizon-blames-sprint-t-mobile-merger/d/d-id/752673

Interesting in a lot of ways. The article makes it sound like T-Mobile wholesale pricing was becoming too expensive-- more expensive than the deal Ting managed with Verizon.

Maybe this explains why Ting absorbed only the CDMA customers from FreedomPop.

Sounds like Ting will be even busier with behind-the-scenes planning and adjustments.....
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1 week 3 days ago #39398 by LiterallyUnlimited
Beyond excited for this. We expect this to drive our costs (and therefore our prices) down.
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1 week 3 days ago #39408 by joseph

LiterallyUnlimited wrote: Beyond excited for this. We expect this to drive our costs (and therefore our prices) down.


What do you plan on doing with all your existing T-Mobile subscribers?

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1 week 2 days ago #39415 by LiterallyUnlimited

joseph wrote:
What do you plan on doing with all your existing T-Mobile subscribers?


Eventually they'll need to be moved off the T-Mobile network, but that's roughly 18 months from now, nearly an eternity in this industry.

That said, T-Mobile themselves are set to retire their 2G network around the same time period anyway, so with the expectation that most devices will move towards VoLTE as the new default, it just becomes a matter of finding who has a VoLTE VZW-compatible on our network currently on T-Mobile (most iPhones, newer Samsungs, Motos) and shipping them a SIM card when we're ready.
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1 week 2 days ago #39416 by KentE
I have found VoLTE requirements to be a major pain in the butt.....
(This comment is not aimed at Ting in any way other than the policies of the carriers they use.)
The issue for now is that for many phones, it's nearly impossible to find out whether VoLTE will be supported on either Verizon or T-Mobile networks without the actual device in hand, and in some instances actually activating, or attempting to, activate, it As far as I can find, neither VZW or T-Mobile makes this information easily available, beyond a list of "approved" phones covering newer, common, and more expensive, models. The situation is likely to get worse before it gets better.

For now, the situation actually pushes me towards recommending Sprint or AT&T networks for many friends-- a lot less unpleasant surprises that might result in unacceptable performance, and a lot more likely that their existing phone (or a budget used purchase) will actually work.

I don't doubt that the industry wants to consider 18 months "nearly an eternity" regarding phone ownership, but I'm certain there are plenty of folks here using a phone older than that.
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1 week 2 days ago #39417 by LiterallyUnlimited
I don't disagree with you on T-Mobile's VoLTE requirements. Even some phones with LTE Band 12 don't support it, and we're finding that out the hard way in support.

As VoLTE becomes the standard, I think it's a little premature to assume that no budget devices will come out in the next 18 months that do support VoLTE on all US networks, as Verizon themselves stopped activating non-VoLTE devices months ago and more T-Mobile users are finding out that their 2G areas have been refarmed into oblivion and are unable to make calls without VoLTE compatibility on the towers and phone in question.

As to old phones -- that's sadly a fact of life, I think, in this industry. We'd like to think all phones are future-proof, but as they're really only designed to have a 2-year life span (with some notable differences *cough*Apple*cough*), it makes sense that the Big Four would make moves like this when most of their retail customers would be likely eligible for an upgrade to their handset at that point anyway. Remember, we play in their sandbox by their rules.

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