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2 years 11 months ago #3956 by Isamorph
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Oldbooks1 wrote: "Yeah---run by a bunch of liberal loser scientists "

Respectfully, I disagree.

They are a bunch of irresponsible con artists.

My family bought two Sony TVs based on them being Top Rated models by Consumer Reports. Less than 30 years later both had to be replaced.


Yes. And they recommended that people not by extended warranties. Go figure.

Once, after they they scared people by stating that the Suzuki Samurai was prone to rollovers, I bought one and it only rolled over once during the two years I had it.
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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #3957 by Isamorph
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JTSR71 wrote: I think we've become so desensitized to politics that we haven't appreciated what actually happened today.

1) The FBI & NSA Directors, as well as the Dept of Justice, all confirmed that the current President of the USA effectively lied when he accused President Obama of conducting surveillance against him.

2) Despite that, the current President of the United States stood by his assertions.

3) The Director of the FBI, after reaffirming that the Russian government had actively interfered in the election to ensure that Trump won, confirmed that they were investigating whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

This is a constitutional crisis. It has nothing to do with being a Democrat or Republican. It has to do with there being proven lying by the current President and enough to warrant an FBI investigation into traitorous behavior by the Trump campaign who are now running the country.


I agree---serious event. At the very least, if Trump did not lie when he accused Obama of a felony, Trumb exhibited disturbing mental behavior which indicates that he did not know the difference between right and wrong while making the accusation. There is no way out.
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2 years 11 months ago #3958 by als
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Lying by politicians is nothing new. I think we, as a nation, through proper existing procedures, need to consider if the statements, taken in part and overall, have a deleterious effect on our national interest, And if so, what is the proper action, for us as a people, in our national interest we as a nation, need to take.
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2 years 11 months ago #3959 by Oldbooks1
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I think there is an important distinction to be made between statements made in a personal capacity and statements made in an official capacity.

As a practical matter that can be hard to make sometimes but it is important. This is especially true when every word a person says publicly is scrutinized and "interpreted."

For instance, yesterday Director Comey made the following statements before the House Intelligence Committee yesterday:

“I have no information that supports those tweets, and we have looked carefully inside the FBI," said Comey. "We have no information that supports them."

“To put it in a homely metaphor, I hate the New England Patriots. And no matter who they play, I'd like them to lose. So I'm at the same time rooting against the Patriots and hoping their opponent beats them because it's only two teams on the field,” Comey said.

The first is clearly an official statement by the Director of the FBI while the second is a personal statement by a Giants fan whose day job is running the FBI.

He made the following statement in addition:

“Thank you. If I'm honest with myself, the reason I don't like the Patriots is they represent sustained excellence,” Comey admitted

In regard to "official" statements fairly rigorous standards should be applied while in relation to the latter it is appropriate to be less demanding.

If Director's Comey's dislike for sustained excellence is to be taken seriously he should be fired because why we would want somebody running the FBI if that person does not like "sustained excellence"?
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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #3966 by JTSR71
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I think the analogy (not metaphor), was not a personal statement. I think he was trying to gently tell GOP senators that when there are only two choices, being against or for one side means you are for / against the other. Some GOP senators were trying to claim that the Russians were not for Trump but only against Clinton. There is a hilarious clip of a GOP senator from Texas where he started a football analogy and then got completely confused about it.

The sustained excellence comment was a personal statement. Additionally, I interpreted that as he admitting jealousy about the sustained excellence, not that he was against it in principle.

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2 years 11 months ago #3968 by Legally-Speaking
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Chelle wrote: We've already got two damn posts with Trump in the name that I have to look at all damn day. Please delete this crap thread.

Newsflash - This thread is appropriately placed In the "General" category. I don't recall any rules limiting the number of threads using "Trump" in the title to a maximum of two. What you "have to look at all damn[ed] day" is not a factor. It's irrelevant and does not create a basis for this thread's deletion.

Chelle wrote: Don't you people have anything better to do?

This is a question you should be asking yourself.

Chelle wrote: Trump is president. Get over it. You can try again next time.

We know Trump is President. Does that mean we can't talk about it?

Chelle wrote: I've gotta see this crap on Facebook and everywhere else. Do you guys really need to talk about Trump here, too?

Sorry you feel you've "gotta see this crap on Facebook and everywhere else." That's not our concern. No one has to filter their posts based on what you "gotta see" and the frequency at which you've "gotta see" it. Neither the world nor this forum revolves around your individual needs and preferences. Suggestion - Having determined two threads including "Trump" in the title should be the limit, what compelled you to enter this one (and comment)?

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2 years 11 months ago #3969 by Legally-Speaking
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Chelle wrote:

mmfacemm wrote: I agree but Chelle mind your language! I haven't seen you speak like that before!


I don't ever use that kind of language and I'm angry at myself for using it. I'm just so sick of all of this, though. There's no escaping it. They work it into television shows and everything else.


As you've suggested to others, find something else to do. Ahem, yes you do use that language. See, your previous post in which you do just that.

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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #3971 by Legally-Speaking
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Chelle wrote: And if you use that kind of language in the other forum I'll mod edit your butt. ;)

Feel free to mod edit that rant, David!


To this, I am obliged to thank and commend hungryghost for creating and maintaining this forum where we can freely enjoy open discussion devoid of the hypocrisy you speak of. No one cares what you'd do elsewhere. Spare us of such off topic assertions. You wield no authority nor power here.

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2 years 11 months ago #3986 by JTSR71
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Back on topic, quoting directly from CNN, here is a summary of one of the changes Trump has made to try to get the bill passed in the House:

"Ban excess tax credits from going into Health Savings Accounts: Enrollees whose tax credits exceed the cost of their premiums will no longer be able to put the additional funds in Health Savings Accounts. Some conservatives were concerned these funds could be used to pay for abortions."

That change probably makes no difference to anybody except the Congressperson(s) who might go back to their voters and argue that they fought hard to make sure the new Healthcare Act prevented abortions.

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2 years 11 months ago #3988 by Oldbooks1
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It looks like the situation is still quite fluid. The conservatives are very unhappy with the bill but those members who are not from highly gerrymandered constituencies are concerned about the backlash to date from the AARP and others lobbying for seniors and a number of Governors are pushing hard to fund for Medicaid expansion. There may be a CBO update before the scheduled vote to reflect the changes.

Probably it will go through on Thursday in the House but changes are likely in the Senate.
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