Changes to Freedompop free plans

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4 months 3 weeks ago #11 by KentE

ZZWang wrote: Hope they don’t change the old voip plan so soon. still using the international calls.


So far, what will happen to the VoIP app is unknown. It might be possible to continue using it as a stand-alone option over WiFi.

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4 months 3 weeks ago - 4 months 3 weeks ago #12 by mmfacemm
Yes the unlimited wifi calling could be useful. I missed that.

The newer dual sim iphones can do wifi calling over data on the second sim so that could be a cheap way to get unlimited calling paired with a data only plan. There are a lot of data only esim plans (though many are routed overseas with added latency and are probably not suitable). Then again you could just use google voice.

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4 months 3 weeks ago #13 by tonywagner
Looks like the new site points to a completely different account backend -- even entering an invalid password with your email in the new login starts you on the upgrade process (still have to confirm your email or phone number, though). I think it would even let me "upgrade" global sim account emails that haven't been active for some time. (Not CDMA account emails, though -- those must have been purged in the transition to Ting.)

Wonder if it's even worth submitting a free account to upgrade yet? 25 MB would be pretty worthless, though...
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4 months 3 weeks ago #14 by ZZWang
Oops, just got mail from Freedompop this afternoon. The premium sim card is attached.
"Please transfer by Oct 15 to avoid service disruption" in printed on the mailer.
It doesn't seem mandatory, I will wait and see what happen.

I only have VOIP free plan, not the annual plan. I have more than one account.
There is no indication which account it refers too. Maybe more will be coming...
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4 months 3 weeks ago #15 by tonywagner

ZZWang wrote: I only have VOIP free plan, not the annual plan. I have more than one account.
There is no indication which account it refers too. Maybe more will be coming...


The sim and the letter likely aren't tied to any account. Possibly just sending one for each unique postal address in their system. You pick what account to "transfer" when you go through the process at their new website.
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4 months 3 weeks ago #16 by idanth
This is sucks. Data only SIM could work in any unlocked phone with LTE Band 2 and Band 4 (even phones from 2014 are supported and I am using FP for navigation). New SIM is actually restricted to AT&T VoLTE compatible phones (from 02/2022 and may be even earlier because of IMEI whitelisting/blacklisting by AT&T) for calls and SMS. There not too many unlocked (not AT&T branded) phones that support VoLTE on AT&T:

www.att.com/ecms/dam/att/consumer/help/pdf/Service-Capabilities-Unlocked-Devices-ATT-Network.pdf

The situation is even worst with Wi-fi Calling (for unlimited calling via Wi-Fi). Only unlocked Google Pixel and iPhones (and two LG phones) support AT&T Wi-Fi calling (see above URL) or you have to buy AT&T branded crap.

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4 months 3 weeks ago #17 by KentE

idanth wrote: This is sucks. Data only SIM could work in any unlocked phone with LTE Band 2 and Band 4 (even phones from 2014 are supported and I am using FP for navigation). New SIM is actually restricted to AT&T VoLTE compatible phones (from 02/2022 and may be even earlier because of IMEI whitelisting/blacklisting by AT&T) for calls and SMS. There not too many unlocked (not AT&T branded) phones that support VoLTE on AT&T:

www.att.com/ecms/dam/att/consumer/help/pdf/Service-Capabilities-Unlocked-Devices-ATT-Network.pdf

The situation is even worst with Wi-fi Calling (for unlimited calling via Wi-Fi). Only unlocked Google Pixel and iPhones (and two LG phones) support AT&T Wi-Fi calling (see above URL) or you have to buy AT&T branded crap.


I certainly don't disagree with your thought that "this is sucks".
I haven't seen info, however, that the new SIM is actually restricted to VoLTE compatible, or WiFi compatible, phones.

At this point, I think the tiny allotments of minutes/texts will work on any AT&T compatible phone, with or without VoLTE or WiFi calling support.

The 'unlimited' WiFi calling feature will only work on phones that are AT&T WiFi compliant, of course-- and the small number of phones that will support it. (With similar restrictions on unlimited RCS messaging via WiFi or the plans 25mb of data-- only usable if your phone supports RCS, or iPhone iMessage.)

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4 months 3 weeks ago #18 by KentE

Hungry-Hog wrote: Oh crap !


Oh crap, indeed.

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4 months 3 weeks ago - 4 months 3 weeks ago #19 by idanth

KentE wrote: I haven't seen info, however, that the new SIM is actually restricted to VoLTE compatible, or WiFi compatible, phones.
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With similar restrictions on unlimited RCS messaging via WiFi or the plans 25mb of data-- only usable if your phone supports RCS, or iPhone iMessage


AT&T shuts down 3G network in 02/2022. It means you MUST have VoLTE compatible phone on or after 02/2022 regardless of everything else. Even today AT&T starts to restrict their SIMs to VoLTE compatible phones (I do not know if it is applicable to Freedompop Premium plans).

According to Freedompop, unlimited calling can be done only using Wi-Fi calling (or you are limited to 10 mins/month). So, actually, to make Premium FP SIM usable at least for voice calls you must have VoLTE compatible phone.

Regarding RCS: it works at least on some Android phones (does not have to be very new phone). Google Messages App, in general, supports RCS.

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4 months 3 weeks ago #20 by KentE

idanth wrote:

KentE wrote: I haven't seen info, however, that the new SIM is actually restricted to VoLTE compatible, or WiFi compatible, phones.
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With similar restrictions on unlimited RCS messaging via WiFi or the plans 25mb of data-- only usable if your phone supports RCS, or iPhone iMessage


AT&T shuts down 3G network in 02/2022. It means you MUST have VoLTE compatible phone on or after 02/2022 regardless of everything else. Even today AT&T starts to restrict their SIMs to VoLTE compatible phones (I do not know if it is applicable to Freedompop Premium plans).

According to Freedompop, unlimited calling can be done only using Wi-Fi calling (or you are limited to 10 mins/month). So, actually, to make Premium FP SIM usable at least for voice calls you must have VoLTE compatible phone.

Regarding RCS: it works at least on some Android phones (does not have to be very new phone). Google Messages App, in general, supports RCS.


Yes, I am aware of AT&T's plans to -eventually- require VoLTE compatible phones. Currently, I am unaware of any AT&T provider that has made this restriction for using their service. If FreedomPop Premium is doing so, it would be the first MVNO I'd be aware of.
Nothing in their new FAQ indicates to me that they are doing so. It's conceivable, but only likely if Red Pocket/FreedomPop wrangled a special deal from AT&T that stipulated this requirement as part of an early test bed.

I agree, and have stated both in the post you partially quote and in an earlier post, that AT&T WiFi compatibility is required to use the 'unlimited' WiFi calling feature. This does imply that the phone likely must also support VoLTE in order to support WiFi capability, since I'm unaware of a phone model that supports AT&T WiFi calling while not supporting AT&T VoLTE.

But until evidence indicates otherwise, there does not appear to be a requirement to have AT&T VoLTE or WiFi calling in order to activate a SIM/plan and use the other features of the plan. You just won't be able to take advantage of the unlijmited WiFI calling without it.

As you point out, unlimited RCS messaging (over WiFi) is much easier to accomplish, but not univerasally available to all users.

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